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Post by cmwilso3 on Oct 10, 2007 21:18:16 GMT -5
It has been theorized that Hoffman gave Clara an abortion. This is consistent with the gynecological table that Clara is cleaning over and over again before the infamous scene with Hoffman and she through the peephole. The theory is that the baby is still in the drawer until they have a chance to get rid of it.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Oct 11, 2007 2:59:07 GMT -5
But it's really not even possible.-.-;
-The table Clara cleans is just your standard examination table, and nearly all pediatricians have one.
-That scene could be viewed as perfectly innocent, since all we see is Clara cleaning a spot on the floor.
-Hoffman is not a doctor, it's the 1930s, and he's in an orphanage with very limited medical equipment. Clara would never have survived an abortion given there by him.
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Post by cmwilso3 on Oct 11, 2007 12:45:34 GMT -5
Technically, she could have, with trauma. Which may explain why she is the "Scared Princess." People have been giving abortions with the "dilation and curettage" method since the late 19th century. However, for centuries, people have used "at home" methods to abort an unwanted child. It is silly to think that just because Hoffman was a teacher that he couldn't have performed an abortion or even a "home remedy."
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Post by cmwilso3 on Oct 11, 2007 12:48:19 GMT -5
Also, as far as the "perfectly innocent" scene. I think that Jennifer's memories about this are sanitized. Hoffman was very interested in cleaning (or he wouldn't have told the children the imp story). Jennifer may have substituted this in her memories to cover up the molestation
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Oct 12, 2007 16:28:34 GMT -5
Jennifer herself comments that a lot of the scary stuff she saw was a result of her overactive imagination. The abortion idea is impossible, for all the reasons I stated above. And Jennifer saw a scene where Diana was touched, so why on earth would she bother to censor such a thing happening to Clara?
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Post by cmwilso3 on Oct 12, 2007 20:47:31 GMT -5
Hoffman wasn't molesting Diana in that memory. All he was doing in Jennifer's memory was rubbing Diana on her arms. Now, this could have been censored in Jennifer's memory also. Consider this. If he was merely touching Diana inappropriately and Jennifer censored her memory of that, wouldn't she censor her memory more if she had seen Hoffman molesting Clara? And what about the Mermaid Princess scene where we see Hoffman rubbing someone in bed. Then the person in the bed is revealed to be Clara.
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Post by cmwilso3 on Oct 12, 2007 20:49:56 GMT -5
The abortion idea is impossible, for all the reasons I stated above. I haven't seen any evidence that refutes my research. It was entirely possible that Hoffman gave Clara an abortion. Just because you say it is impossible doesn't mean that it is definitely false.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Oct 12, 2007 22:45:53 GMT -5
Stop double posting.
Most people would consider the way Hoffman was shown touching Diana as inappropriate. But Jen was a kid at the time. Some memories are censored, but some are also made worse. Hoffman carried Clara to bed after she fell asleep, which Jennifer admits she misunderstood. The imps are another example, as they were nothing more than a story used to scare the children into doing their chores. But in her dream, they became real, deadly creatures.
And it IS false. The evidence was posted.
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Post by cmwilso3 on Oct 12, 2007 22:52:20 GMT -5
Sorry about the double posting. What evidence? I may have missed it from another thread since I just joined a few days ago. True, I understand that Jennifer has made some things out to be worse than they were. However, couldn't it stand to reason that some things were made better than they really were? Her memories cannot be completely trusted either way. I think that the horrors of her childhood are the theme of the game, which would support the worst things that could happen to her. The game starts out by saying that this is "A mysterious, unthinkable, filthy tale."
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Oct 12, 2007 22:56:04 GMT -5
-The table Clara cleans is just your standard examination table, and nearly all pediatricians have one. -That scene could be viewed as perfectly innocent, since all we see is Clara cleaning a spot on the floor. -Hoffman is not a doctor, it's the 1930s, and he's in an orphanage with very limited medical equipment. Clara would never have survived an abortion given there by him. Both are true. Some memories are censored, while others are worsened. But Jennifer's comment about her misunderstanding that scene is made AFTER her memory has cleared.
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Post by cmwilso3 on Oct 12, 2007 22:57:46 GMT -5
But can her memories in the final chapter be trusted? It seems that it is more a chapter that allows her to release the bad things from her past.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Oct 12, 2007 23:06:56 GMT -5
Yes, they can. In the main portion of the game, her memories are jumbled, and she is seeing things through the traumatized eyes of a child. By the final chapter, her memories are no longer out of place, and she can look at them as an adult-seeing things as they really were. As a child, she believed Hoffman's stories about monsters coming to sweet away bad, uncleanly children and lived in fear of them. In her dream, these fears manifested themselves in a physical form. And in the final chapter, looking back, she finally understand they they really were just a story invented to scare the orphans into behaving.
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Post by cmwilso3 on Oct 12, 2007 23:21:27 GMT -5
Okay. This, however, doesn't disprove the theory that Hoffman was molesting Clara and got her pregnant.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Oct 13, 2007 1:11:02 GMT -5
There is nothing that properly supports that theory either. We were shown more hints of him touching Diana, rather than Clara. And when it came to the only really suggestive scene between them-the one in the sickroom,-Jennifer herself comes to realize that it was completely innocent.
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Post by cmwilso3 on Oct 14, 2007 16:07:37 GMT -5
So your belief is that nothing at all was going on between Hoffman and Clara? It seems to me that the entire Mermaid chapter points to molestation.
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