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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 26, 2007 21:08:45 GMT -5
She was only a kid back then, and so far, the recollection of dates seems more than a little mixed up. It's up to us to decide what she is and is not remembering too accurately.
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Post by Stray Dog on Feb 27, 2007 9:11:16 GMT -5
She was only a kid back then, and so far, the recollection of dates seems more than a little mixed up. It's up to us to decide what she is and is not remembering too accurately. Yeah. The 'Sir Peter' Chapter is, in fact, the best demonstration of how the time seems to be disarranged: Wendy began to take care of Peter just after Jennifer found Brown, in July. We must remember that the game itself is a trip into Jennifer's unconscious, so the presence of any temporal overlaps is pretty normal. About the date of letters and newspapers ... well, I believe they're true. So, I do believe that Jennifer went to the orphanage only in March, there are too many proofs about it, and it's impossible that she just created in her mind a lot of false proofs, or better, - false images -. It's pretty like the Hoffman's question: she may have imagined his pedophilia (But, we should think that the pedophilia is something a child can't understand nor know without living it on his skin), but she could not create in her mind the image of Clara cleaning on her knees in front of Hoffman (Just because the pedophiliac implications in this image are too complicated for a child). The mind can mold a lot of things, but it can't create something it does not know about.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 27, 2007 13:53:32 GMT -5
Well, we don't know what kind of things Jennifer knows. A shadow cast by a tree branch can seem like a horrific monster to a child. She could have heard about such adult matters from books, the other kids, or many other ways. Thus, leaving her quite some room to create ideas in her own mind that she projected into her alternate reality. And also, keep in mind, that she is going on this journey at the age of 19, which also might affect her memories in regards to such matters.
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Post by Stray Dog on Feb 27, 2007 14:35:35 GMT -5
Well, we don't know what kind of things Jennifer knows. A shadow cast by a tree branch can seem like a horrific monster to a child. She could have heard about such adult matters from books, the other kids, or many other ways. Thus, leaving her quite some room to create ideas in her own mind that she projected into her alternate reality. And also, keep in mind, that she is going on this journey at the age of 19, which also might affect her memories in regards to such matters. I see. You're right, she's 19, however I still think that certain images are too particular to be made by the mind itself, even under massive external influences. Ignoring so much what we see, pretending that it must be a mental dissimulation ... this could be a constrainment. It's all real. Anyway, we're going off topic. We should talk about this in the 'Hoffman's Thread'. :°
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 27, 2007 14:42:14 GMT -5
It can't all be completely real. And even what is has been twisted by her imagination. She thinks adults are scary, and thus sees Clara as scary when she is with the other adults and acting like one. She did see Clara cleaning and Hoffman putting her in bed. Perhaps in her mind, she filled in the gaps that she did not know. For example. Pretend Mr. Hoffman had called Clara outside. While outside, Clara falls and gets hurt. All Jennifer knows is that when Clara came back in, she was hurt. As someone who is learning not to trust adults and see everything at its worst, she'd most likely jump right to the assumption Mr. Hoffman had hurt Clara.
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Post by Stray Dog on Feb 27, 2007 19:28:46 GMT -5
It can't all be completely real. And even what is has been twisted by her imagination. She thinks adults are scary, and thus sees Clara as scary when she is with the other adults and acting like one. She did see Clara cleaning and Hoffman putting her in bed. Perhaps in her mind, she filled in the gaps that she did not know. For example. Pretend Mr. Hoffman had called Clara outside. While outside, falls and gets hurt. All Jennifer knows is that when Clara came back in, she was hurt. As someone who is learning not to trust adults and see everything at its worst, she'd most likely jump right to the assumption Mr. Hoffman had hurt Clara. Doesn't this thing seems too like a constrainment to you ? The way Hoffman touched Diana, the way he touched Jennifer herself during the boss battle (Although I know that he never cared about Jennifer in THAT sense), could they all be a blur ? She filled the holes in her mind, maybe. But why would she have associated the image of a professor, even if he's strict professor, to that of a pedophile ? She was afraid of him, of course, because of his severity; but the way he treated Clara (Well, Clara was the nurse, why would he have ordered her to clean in the Sick Room in front of him, locking the door ?), the way he touched Diana (And that's not a case if they're the older girls), what he wrote in his diary (Oh, come on ... he took her to her bed. Thinking that the image/memory of something wrote usually is not modified by the mind - I talked with a psychologist about this fact :° - would you really think that it was just because he was worried about her ? :°°°) ... Too many clues for a big mental allucination. I think your example about Clara and Hoffman is right, but we're talkin' about 'images'. I repeat, and I hope I'm not boring you, that certain images are not the result of a mental association, just because they're too ... I can't find the word ... well, definite (Sounds pretty good). Maybe too singular (This one's better). And that's not all. I also think Clara, because of what she endured since she was a child, felt a sort of twisted love for Hoffman. She wanted to remain in the orphanage with him, in spite of everything. She went away only a bit after Hoffman went away. I think that's because she had to realize she was .. 'free'. Anyway, this IS a theory, but about my "Hoffman = Pedophile" theory ... I'm afraid to say so, but it's not like when you convinced me about Gregory's innocence (I was blind -.-). I'm absolutely sure about that.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 27, 2007 19:32:04 GMT -5
Which is it you are sure about?
And, no, I never find debating theories boring.^^ You should, however, move this to the Hoffman thread-in theories, I think. Maybe copy/paste your post there?
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Post by Stray Dog on Feb 27, 2007 19:36:11 GMT -5
Which is it you are sure about? And, no, I never find debating theories boring.^^ You should, however, move this to the Hoffman thread-in theories, I think. Maybe copy/paste your post there? I told I was going off topic. I'm sorry. ^_^
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 27, 2007 19:40:26 GMT -5
No problem.^^ Let's turn this back into a discussion of the missing months/confusing times, etc.
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Post by PreciousLittleGirl on Mar 10, 2007 23:27:24 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be cool if there was a way to unlock a February chapter? Like how you can with the January one?
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Post by Silent Aristocrat on Mar 12, 2007 23:29:49 GMT -5
yeah too bad, I'm still in denial about there only being one true ending if you disreguard the bad ending. Why would there be a June 1929 chapter instead of a June 1930? That's one chapter out of one entire year that had no story around it. Is it possible that since Jennifer is revisiting her childhood that she got the dates all bent out of whack?
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Mar 12, 2007 23:33:46 GMT -5
There ARE a lot of date inconsistencies, especially with the chapters. June of 1929 is special because it is when she came to be under Gregory's care, though it was not until the end of January, 1930 that she left with Wendy.
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Post by Elvin Princess on Apr 7, 2008 18:19:39 GMT -5
Feel free to reject this but: I think that after being rescued from the Gingerbread House, Jenn went straight to the orphanage, where she had some good times. In the Once Upon a Time chapter, while exploring the house she tells of some of the good times that she had at the orphanage and thanks the occupants for all the wonderful memories. It is only after she falls in love with Brown that we start seeing chapters as Wendy has the RCA start being cruel to her. There is no February chapter, as she is still having a normal life at the orphanage...
This is JUST A THEORY, feel free to reject it.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Apr 14, 2008 18:24:27 GMT -5
Things at the orphanage were never really "normal". The Aristocracy existed long before she even arrived at the orphanage, and it was doubtful they treated her all that well even when she first came there, due to her low class. Just look at how cruel they were to Amanda. And it was before she fell in love that Wendy encouraged the others to be mean to her, so that she would remain her only friend and be a source of comfort for the girl. Things just got even worse after she fell in love with Brown.
She did have some happy memories, but most were sad.
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Post by rawrk on Oct 3, 2008 1:40:44 GMT -5
Maybe in Feburary, Jennifer was in hospital/being checked out by authorities, because she'd have to be introduced to the orphanage somehow. Hoffman wouldn't just take her in, she'd have to go through all these checks and such. And hospital because airship crash + living with Greg would have made her thin/cuts and bruises/possible broken things, and the hospital would have to make sure she didn't have diseases and such before being introduced to the orphanage.
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