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Post by cellerikun on Mar 30, 2007 20:17:44 GMT -5
They were cut for a reason was the point. The fact that they were cut support my theory that Gregory kidnapping and killings kids may have been a dropped story point, but never fully removed due to lack of time. This is very common in video games. And we also have no idea how many times she read those articles. Most were also very small. And even if you read or see something once, it remains in your subconscious. So you don't have any evidence that doesn't rely on Jennifer's unreliable memory, or material that was actually in the game, and now you're saying that all the stuff that the game developers specifically removed so that it wouldn't be in the game proves your point. Gotcha. (And thanks for not answering my question-- way to debate!) ... Yeah, I think I'm just about done here. It's pretty obvious at this point that you're not really interested in talking about the game anymore, you just want to be right.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Mar 30, 2007 20:25:05 GMT -5
What question?
And as I have said about a million times, I have also provided exstensive evidence including the stuff in game, which can be found earlier in this thread or in the Missing Kids thread in Theories. There is no need to be rude. I am debating just as much as anyone else, and it is not right of you to accuse me of just wanting to be right.
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Post by monanne on Mar 31, 2007 15:11:16 GMT -5
I can see validity in both points of view. Gregory is definitely presented more sympathetically - as a sad, tormented man - in the game than the trailer would indicate. And it is interesting that the game creators would remove the cutscene that most specifically points to Gregory's guilt in the kidnappings.
However, the peas rhyme, the articles, and the holes outside his house - as well as giving his home the rather creepy name of "Gingerbread House" - those seem to be hinting at his involvement.
Part of the problem is that the game's timeline is so blasted confusing. I can't even determine for sure when the real Joshua died, or when exactly the kidnappings started. And, why would Gregory have killed all those other children, but then keep Jennifer alive for 6 months? Not only that, but according to Jennifer herself, he treated her kindly.
It's a puzzle.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Mar 31, 2007 17:26:24 GMT -5
Well, my extstensive analysis of the diary highly suggests it refers to the real Joshua, which would mean he died right before Jennifer would have been found. Also, him killing kids just does not suit him. People argue that he might have killed them for trying to escape, but we see Jen trying to escape, and he just picks her up and carries her inside. And the holes were part of that removed cutscene and should have been removed with him.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Apr 4, 2007 20:54:14 GMT -5
Any further thoughts on this matter? This is too good a topic to just let it end!
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Post by RoseDoll on Apr 5, 2007 1:54:44 GMT -5
Hmm...I remember people saying he was guilty because of symbols on the calender? What was that about?
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Apr 5, 2007 3:15:36 GMT -5
Well, according to some people, certain symbols on the calender coincided with the days his diary said he planted peas and the days kids were reported missing. However, upon further examination, I've found these symbols mark what kind of weather there was on that day and matches up with the weather mentioned in the diary as well. Thus, that evidence was disproved.
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Post by RoseDoll on Apr 8, 2007 0:11:53 GMT -5
Oh, ok. Thanks.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Apr 26, 2007 23:16:54 GMT -5
No one has yet made any arguments regarding his guilt that we have not been able to disprove, though some rude people still claim we are just stating he is innocent with no evidence.
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Post by tooky on May 1, 2007 1:48:09 GMT -5
i think he did becouse he wouldnt be so sad, i know it was becouse of his son but there has to be another reason, and it seemed he was an alcaholic,so he must have had even more depression and kidnapped kids he saw wandering around, then dressed them up as joshua, then killed him to see if he can get over what happened, just my theory.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on May 1, 2007 1:50:53 GMT -5
>_>;;
The loss of one's own son and only apparent family is a common cause for such depression. Just take a look at games like Silent Hill 2. Your theory could really use a bit more insight, if you don't mind me saying so. You should read through this thread.
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Post by ThePrincessWendy on May 19, 2007 1:55:16 GMT -5
Yes, he would have been very sad by the death of his Johua, I believe~
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Post by PrincessJennifer on May 29, 2007 13:49:33 GMT -5
Well, as of now, all evidence and discussion seems to point to Gregory's innocence.
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Post by ThePrincessWendy on Jun 13, 2007 15:36:24 GMT -5
Yes~
It's a shame more people do not discuss it though.
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Post by RoseDoll on Jul 6, 2007 14:21:09 GMT -5
Yeah. Maybe no one just has any evidence left that we have not covered.
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