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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 18, 2007 15:02:28 GMT -5
Well. what's your stand on this case?
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Post by julia on Feb 18, 2007 23:25:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure. I'd like to think he's a nice, guy, but there's some evidence that he did it, right?
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 18, 2007 23:57:34 GMT -5
Well, depends-there are many debates about that in the Theories section. I think there is more than enough to support his innocence.
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Post by ThePrincessWendy on Feb 19, 2007 12:38:05 GMT -5
There were missing kids? O-O
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Post by Azure Princess on Feb 19, 2007 23:18:21 GMT -5
I think there is the possibility he did do it, but out of crumbling sanity. ^^"
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 19, 2007 23:28:26 GMT -5
You just started playing the game, miss. : P I shall forever root for his innocence!
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Post by Azure Princess on Feb 20, 2007 1:56:30 GMT -5
Ehehehehe! *dances around* Of course you will! *dances around in support of his innocence* Go with whatever works I guess.
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Post by avidgamer77 on Feb 20, 2007 11:17:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure. I'd like to think he's a nice, guy, but there's some evidence that he did it, right? well, what would you say about the "pool of water that looks almost like blood" at the bottom of the bathtub, the hole puncture on the left section of the house, his reciting of the poem that seem to strongly suggest murder, the newspaper article that reported 3 kidnappings? BTW why did he have so many scars all over his body?
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Post by Azure Princess on Feb 20, 2007 11:26:53 GMT -5
Scars...? They may have come out of his hard life etc - not necessarily from kids kicking and screaming to get away from him. OwO
I'll go for his innocence on this one! >w<
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Post by avidgamer77 on Feb 20, 2007 11:42:07 GMT -5
If I were to say he's innocent, then the newspaper article never mentioned where the kidnappings took place, so maybe the pea poem was just his way of entertaining Joshua and the pool of blood could be from washing his scarred body? Maybe that hole was a result of his venting of anger/depression? But why would he want to keep that newspaper article in the first place at Joshua's locked room? Just my thoughts and self-contradictions.
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Post by Azure Princess on Feb 20, 2007 11:54:04 GMT -5
Hmm... you're presenting a good point there. ^^"
A newspaper article locked in Joshua's room... Hmm... *goes to think about it*
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 20, 2007 16:54:58 GMT -5
"pool of water that looks almost like blood at the bottom of the bathtub,"
This really is just dirty water. Jennifer was in the dark and scared, so she said it ALMOST looked like blood. Kind of like James in Silent Hill 2 mistaking the mannequin limbs for people ones at first glance.
"the hole puncture on the left section of the house,"
Well, assuming he is the one who caused this hole and the ones in his house, it might just be because of how he was suffering from his son's death. Haven't you ever punched a wall out of anger or sorrow? He's just a lot stronger than most people. That hole in the side of his house goes all the way through to the living room.>.>;
"his reciting of the poem that seem to strongly suggest murder, the newspaper article that reported 3 kidnappings?"
I've always figured that the article might have been inspiration for that poem/story. Most fairytales started out pretty morbid, and we even see Gregory later having trouble trying to write a happy story. If Joshua read the article and was intrigued by it, maybe his father made a similiar story to entertain him. Also, if the Joshua in Gregory's diary was the real one, then Joshua was still alive during the kidnappings, which takes away his most likely motive. In general, Gregory just seemed like a nice man who liked kids a lot-I can't imagine him hurting them back then.
"BTW why did he have so many scars all over his body?"
>.< That little brat Wendy! After she stole Jennifer away from him, she dressed up as Joshua and manipulated his sanity to train him to be Stray Dog. Seems to reason that she hit him when he did not obey her, probably with something. Horrible girl!;-;
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Post by avidgamer77 on Feb 20, 2007 21:48:29 GMT -5
Just thinking, is there any evidence that suggest that Joshua had died a long time ago, even before Greg's diary was written in June? If the orphans spreading rumours of kidnappings that may be linked to him (the pea song and Greg is a pea farmer) is true, does that mean he may have more than just two "Joshuas"? It's noted that from June 28th onwards the diary never got updated. The newpaper article reported kidnappings on the 7th, 14th and 21th of June, the only month when Greg started writing on his diary. Was that because of his excitement (in looking forward to each day) in his attempt to "find" his lost Joshua through the physical dress-up of the children whom he kidnapped? Add to that he was also under the influence of alcohol. Then again, he seem to be fully aware that he had lost his son even during his adoption of Jennifer, as seen in the basement where he points the gun at himself while reciting the pea poem in front of a bed with Joshua's clothes. A sign of guilt or desire to reunite with his son?
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 20, 2007 22:06:23 GMT -5
Well, let's assume the diary was written for a kid he had kidnapped and dressed as Joshua, why did he not continue it at all after aquiring Jennifer then?
Some think that it might be an imaginary Joshua, but then he wouldn't need to kidnap kids to get one and again, and why not continue once he got Jennifer-a real child he could pretend was Joshua?
Another theory is that he was referring to Wendy, who I have thought might have started pretending to be Joshua out of pity when she took Jen from him, before deciding to make him "Stray Dog". This is because the Joshua in the diary seems to be a little sickly, much like Wendy and because the diary is not marked with a year. However, this seems unlikely to me for a few reasons. One, if Wendy had immediately went to him after taking Jennifer, she most likely would have wound up trapped in the basement. If she had waited until June, it still would not fit. If he was a kidnapper, wouldn't he have a new Joshua by then? And even if not, would the pain of losing Joshua TWICE be a little too much for the sane-seeming diary entries to be written by Gregory? Also, the diary seems to be from '29. Why? Because that is when the chapter takes place( why would something from later be in it? ) and that matches the calender.
If we assume Joshua dies around the time the diary ends, that coincides to some extent with when the airship accident would have occured.
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Post by avidgamer77 on Feb 21, 2007 1:32:05 GMT -5
Yes, the airship accident, kidnappings, Joshua's assumed demise all happened in June. I was thinking if Gregory is guilty of kidnapping and killing the 3 children, what would be the strongest evidence?
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