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Post by PrincessJennifer on Nov 21, 2006 16:28:33 GMT -5
One thing we've all been wondering, is how Brown returned matrix-style during the Stray Dog battle, after his death. I think I finally have the answer. Like everything else in the game, it symbolizes a real life event. Here is how I think the real-life even occured:
"Joshua" sics the big, scary, insane, murderous Gregory on a young Jennifer in the main hall of the orphanage. Terrified and feeling helpless, she scurries around in fear, believing there is no escape and that she will be killed. But as she starts to give in despair, she suddenly remembers what happened to Brown and the lesson she learned from his death about being strong and not just giving in out of fear. Her returned memory of Brown gives her the courage to try and survive, and she manages to escape outside. This would explain why Brown suddenly returns during the Stray Dog battle-it represents the memory of what happened to him returning to a young Jennifer and reminding her to not give in.
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Post by Frisil (the clueless prince) on Nov 21, 2006 18:28:28 GMT -5
Nice idea, but I must disagree on one point: Jennifer did not lose her memory of Brown back then, as Brown's death only happened recently. She beat up Wendy after Brown was killed and only a short time later Wendy brought Gregory to the orphanage. Jennifer still remembered everything that happened, she lost her memory after Gregory killed everyone, only sparing her. I think this is what Brown's return symbolizes: The game always tries to rub in that Brown was 'a dear/beloved friend' lost. So he is a symbol for friendship and love, and this it what returns to Gregory when he finds Jennifer. He does not kill her, but blows out his own brains instead. He recognized Jennifer as a friend, as his beloved Joshua, as he really loved Jennifer in his own demented way. When this love (however twisted it may be) returns (symbolized by Brown's deus ex machina like return), Jennifer is saved.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Nov 21, 2006 19:00:50 GMT -5
I did not mean Jennifer lost her memory of Brown, I meant that she suddenly thought of what happened to him just as she started to give up. She had spent so long running from things she was afraid instead of facing them, that it came naturally when Stray Dog attacked her. But then she suddenly thought of how this behavious had caused her to let Brown be killed and refused to just lay down and die.
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Post by Frisil (the clueless prince) on Nov 21, 2006 19:16:24 GMT -5
Okay, you're right there, but it still is highly unlikely that Jennifer did fight back against Gregory in reality, as it was him who had the gun, not her. So I still think that Brown's return is a symbol for love, friendship and reason coming back to Gregory in a last moment of sanity, not for Jennifer gaining courage.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Nov 21, 2006 19:52:13 GMT -5
I never said she fought back either(and Gregory never had the gun, possibly, as it seems Wendy had it the whole time).^^; My theory is that she was either frozen or scrambling around in fear and believed that there was no escape and she was going to die, until she suddenly remembered what Brown's death had taught her. She refused to simply give up and let herself be killed, and actually tried her hardest to get away.
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Post by Frisil (the clueless prince) on Nov 21, 2006 20:27:13 GMT -5
As I understand it, Gregory had the gun (in reality), as he needed it to gun down the children (remember the newspaper article). And if Jennifer ran away instead of being found be Gregory, he would not have had his final moment of sanity, he would never have realized what he did and thus never killed himself.
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Post by Carmichan on Nov 21, 2006 20:32:27 GMT -5
I really like that theory! It's entirely possible and certainly makes more sense than Brown coming back from the dead or trauma making her think Brown had appeared to help her. It makes a lot of sense, as she does refer to not losing herself or being weak anymore because of Brown at the end of the game. Thank you for sharing ^_^.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Nov 21, 2006 23:39:18 GMT -5
As I understand it, Gregory had the gun (in reality), as he needed it to gun down the children (remember the newspaper article). And if Jennifer ran away instead of being found be Gregory, he would not have had his final moment of sanity, he would never have realized what he did and thus never killed himself. The gun was present at the scene, but there is no statement on how the kids were killed. Gregory was actiing like a dog, so him going around shooting each of the kids was unlikely-some would have escaped inside. And you should really read my first post more carefully. She found the strength to try and survive, and managed to escape outside, where Wendy confronted her.
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Post by PrinceJoshua on Nov 22, 2006 1:21:56 GMT -5
Nice theory PrincessJennifer! It makes sense to me. ;D
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Post by domriver on Nov 22, 2006 1:34:49 GMT -5
Very Interesing
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Post by spookythings on Nov 24, 2006 20:46:56 GMT -5
i hope this doesn't reflect badly on me, but one of the scariest things about gregory was that he was behaving like a dog. i imagine that he killed the children with his bare hands and teeth, and i'd prefer that that was his method because it takes the depravity to whole new levels and i need my f***ed-up fix.
as for how the gun ended up on the scene, your theory makes a lot of sense, princessjennifer. of course, with jennifer's memories sanitized like they were, its perhaps possible that gregory didn't commit suicide as we were led to believe. this could also lend itself to further explain how jennifer was again the only survivor of a terrible tragedy.
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Post by jackdyce on Nov 27, 2006 12:36:08 GMT -5
I kind of like that idea too, but I think that one of the newspaper clippings specifically says that Gregory shot the kids and then himself. Of course, that doesn't mean it couldn't have been Jennifer who shot Gregory...
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Post by Princess Eleanor on Dec 2, 2006 7:38:20 GMT -5
I like your theory PrincessJennifer! *curtsy* Nice observation! ^^
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Post by empressjess on Dec 2, 2006 11:22:49 GMT -5
I think it's a combination between both of your theories: remembering Brown instilled a will to live in Jennifer while simultaneously smacking Greg out of his Wendy-induced killing spree.
Poor Jenny. If I were left alone in an orphanage only to have my friends kill my dog, then see them slaughtered and their killer commit suicide, I'm fairly certain I'd repress it all too.
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Post by bucketknight on Dec 2, 2006 23:36:39 GMT -5
I really don't remember any of the details, but I agree with PrincessJennifer in that I don't remember any mention of Gregory actually shooting the children.
As for how Gregors died, I would not be surprised if he killed all the kids and then when he was done he came back to reality and committed suicide. I'm not too sure I can see Jen killing Gregors after he killed everyone else unless he was directly threatening her. Jen just never struck me as someone who would do that (remember, it took Brown's death for her to finally hit Wendy, and even then she didn't do anything to the other girls, so she strikes me as someone who, if she actually gets the nerve to act, she never does more than necessary).
As for how Brown came back, I buy PrincessJennifer's idea.
And as for the gun, Wendy might have taken it from Gregors, but who knows what happened to it afterwards. She might have given it back after she started training him, or put it back in the house, or Gregors might have found it (Brown finds stuff so Gregors might as well learn that dog skill).
Hmm, it seems I pretty much agree with PrincessJennifer. Well, I do owe her for putting me back together in the airship (though I'm not too partial to her decision to leave me in the filth room for HALF A YEAR!!)
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