bucketknight
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Post by bucketknight on Jan 2, 2007 21:46:30 GMT -5
Since you're god, and the prince, you could command the door to open for you Lets take one thing at a time here. Its not everyday that your promoted from being a prince, to a God. You should play VP2 then. Everyone's got a skeleton (or a hundred) in the closet, and tons of people are higher up then you'd think. And you get to take control of some of the most powerful people to ever exist in that world.
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Post by PrinceJoshua on Jan 2, 2007 21:48:15 GMT -5
Lets take one thing at a time here. Its not everyday that your promoted from being a prince, to a God. You should play VP2 then. Everyone's got a skeleton (or a hundred) in the closet, and tons of people are higher up then you'd think. And you get to take control of some of the most powerful people to ever exist in that world. ....Im satisfied at just being a prince.
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philweasel
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Post by philweasel on Jan 3, 2007 13:09:44 GMT -5
My opinion of the Unmarried Mermaid chapter is that Jennifer has gotten confused between Clara and Diana, Clara being the person that Diana is scared of being and who she holds both a great physical and situational resemblance to. Jennifer mentions that she was aware of this in the last chapter so she would be able to make the connection (Why? Did Diana tell her? Seems a little odd, but not so much. Diana must have known her 'friends' would set upon her like a pack of wolves if they saw weakness, where as Jennifer was too much of a wimp to ever be a threat)
First off, Clara in bed with Hoffman sitting over her, which Jennifer saw through the keyhole. This is a very similar view to that which can be seen through the keyhole from the doctors room to the sick room, therefore I’m led to believe this is directly taken from Jennifer’s memories and is indeed that view (Just transferred to a different place). Perhaps led by curiosity she must have looked through the keyhole one day and seen Hoffman ‘abusing’ Clara. I put ‘abusing’ in quotes because Jennifer admits in the final chapter that those horrible things might have just been her imagination.
I bet Diana spread the rumour about Hoffman and Clara, Jennifer’s curiosity getting the better of her eventually and tempting her into looking through the keyhole. As the scene indicates she saw very little but took it as proof of what Diana had said, this wouldn’t be an entirely pleasant experience for a ten year old and undoubtedly contributed to the chapter’s unpleasant atmosphere.
The mermaid thing is directly taken from the story I think, and Diana’s celebration of her ‘unmarried mermaid’ status by taking her frustrations out on Hoffman’s fish.
Clara’s throwing up and unhealthy appearance? I can think of at least one condition that would lead to throwing up, and a rather angry, upset and scary Clara.
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Post by fayeaznable on Jan 3, 2007 16:19:55 GMT -5
Diana starting the rumour about Hoffman and Clara? That's an interesting theory, philweasel, but Hoffman seems to present enough evidence that it's true on his own. When does Jennifer admit that it may have been her imagination? Doesn't she say "Those horrible things that attacked me," refering to the imps? For some reason, she reads the diary entry about the rumors about the imps and Clara at the same time, and I figured she was refering to the imps. While your take on the whole mermaid chapter is interesting, my question was really about just that one scene at the drawer and nothing about Clara beyond that. It just seemed strange to me that Jennifer listened to Clara in such a way ( she does say 'No!' in sort of a scared way ), and that the game designers would include it if they hadn't included to mention what was inside of it. I'm starting to think that Bucketknight is correct andI may just be looking too deeply into things.. I mean, if the creators were clumbsy enough to leave a half-voice acted scene that completely contradicts the plot ( but I wonder, if they made that.. what was the plot they were originally going for? ), they could have forgotten to take that out as well.
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philweasel
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Post by philweasel on Jan 4, 2007 1:38:44 GMT -5
If Jennifer managed to come to that conclusion on her own at ten years old I'd be very scared. I say that Diana spread the rumour because always got the impression that she hated Clara, based on their conflicting personalities.
And my opinion of the drawer is that they decided not to go so far into that storyline and leave it to our imagination, due to excessive squick.
Edit: Oh, and you're right, I did post that in the wrong place. Damn multiple Clara threads! (For someone with five seconds of screen time she sure does get a lot of dicussion)
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bucketknight
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Post by bucketknight on Jan 4, 2007 13:25:45 GMT -5
If Jennifer managed to come to that conclusion on her own at ten years old I'd be very scared. I say that Diana spread the rumour because always got the impression that she hated Clara, based on their conflicting personalities. And my opinion of the drawer is that they decided not to go so far into that storyline and leave it to our imagination, due to excessive squick. Edit: Oh, and you're right, I did post that in the wrong place. Damn multiple Clara threads! (For someone with five seconds of screen time she sure does get a lot of dicussion) Well, they sure did right about the drawer then. Look at how long we spend chatting about a minor character that barely speaks and is rarely seen.
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Post by coinoperated on Jan 4, 2007 14:24:10 GMT -5
this is probably a pretty stupid suggestion, but isn't it possible that the draw could be a kinda metophorical thing... it contains something that's guarded which could translate into the fact that clara's been roped into physical relationship with hoffman which, if were let out into the open would refelect badly on all involved. The fact that Jennifer dosn't go onto open the draw is because she possibly did spy something through the keyhole in the orphanage but realized that it wasn't acctually something she wanted to see.
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nekohiro09
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Post by nekohiro09 on Jan 4, 2007 14:45:09 GMT -5
love the theory coinoperated!
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bucketknight
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Post by bucketknight on Jan 4, 2007 16:21:08 GMT -5
That's a good theory. I like it, though I think it's a bit too complex for this game (not withstanding the other complexities of the game). Regardless of how much I like the game, it feels like it was rushed to the shelves. So I'm still more inclined to think it's just something they put in and forgot/couldn't/didn't bother to finish.
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Post by coinoperated on Jan 5, 2007 5:53:00 GMT -5
heh, damn lazy devlopers! was the game still being tinkered with when the sh*t hit the fan and everyone got up in arms since they all thought that ROR was about sado-masochistic, under-aged lesbians who liked to burry people alive? that could possibly account for the fact it felt rushed (i weep for the lack of voice acting) and that there were many, many loose threads such as Clara's draw... your right though, that theory probably is a taaaaaad too tenuos.
huh? which scene was that? oh, and since i'm on a role of asking silly questions, what exactly is squick?
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philweasel
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Post by philweasel on Jan 5, 2007 7:38:59 GMT -5
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bucketknight
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Post by bucketknight on Jan 5, 2007 15:45:44 GMT -5
At the risk of opening up one very nasty can of worms, where did squick come from?
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Post by coinoperated on Jan 5, 2007 16:50:19 GMT -5
thankyou very much for the link... though the link it leads on seems to be a tad dead. ah well, c'est la vie.
i just consultedthe great, online resorces... and you were deffiantly right about the nasty apparantly, it origionates from a UseNet news group called alt.sex.bondage which then evolved into a BDSM community and it was there that the word squick came into usage. what a nice story!
sorry, i seem to be causing this topic to deviate...
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Post by avidgamer77 on Feb 20, 2007 5:50:16 GMT -5
well, we just have to keep guessing, but I don't think young Jennifer got the chance to open her drawer other than peeping into keyholes, so maybe that's why in the last chapter she is unable to interact with the drawer at all.
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Feb 24, 2007 1:01:48 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice that the drawer is missing entirely during "The Funeral" chapter?
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