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Post by empressjess on Dec 7, 2006 22:42:47 GMT -5
Oh yes. My boyfriend and I had a field day with that.
Because we are immature.
Back to the topic at hand: Assuming from her accent that Susan is Irish, anyone have any theories on how she got to the orphanage?
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Post by cellerikun on Dec 7, 2006 23:05:45 GMT -5
I wonder if the gifts are part of the "Jen the Unreliable Wonder-Narrator" problem; because Wendy doesn't ask for gifts, per se, over the course of the game-- specifically, she wants sacrifices, if not of a pet, at least something that a particular RCA member loved the way Jen loved Brown.
Butterfly, rabbit, goat, mermaid, bird, Joshua the Bear. There's only one of each thing, but the pledge says "I will offer a monthly gift"... yar. @_@
Anyway, yeah, if Susan is Irish... I don't know. What was going on in Ireland in 1925 or so?
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Post by bucketknight on Dec 8, 2006 7:14:25 GMT -5
It's not surprising to find Irish. Irish have always been the migrant worker type (like the Scots) for the Brits. And there have always been cross migration since the Brits, for all intents and purposes, control Ireland. If it wasn't for trade with the Brits, Ireland would've succumbed to nothingness a long time ago. For all their bluster, they are really co-dependent (a lot like China and Taiwan are becoming now).
As for sacrifices, that would mean Wendy was openly crazy well before Brown came along. I don't think she would be, but then again, Jen's memory. As for butterflies, that's not the same as a rabbit or goat. A butterfly can be no different than a pretty flower for most kids. And the rabbit belongs to Wendy (though she might have stolen it from Olivia, maybe that's why she's always crying?).
As for mermaid, who's is that? Because Diana didn't have a mermaid, and I doubt Diana would sacrifice her own doll to make a dead fish mermaid for Wendy.
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Post by jackdyce on Dec 8, 2006 14:42:31 GMT -5
The Butterfly Hunt specifically asked for one butterfly per person. The Unhappy Mermaid hunt, on the other hand, I believe just called for one mermaid total. So only one needed to be presented, and Diana and the others just made Amanda and Jennifer do the work.
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Post by cellerikun on Dec 8, 2006 14:58:18 GMT -5
As for Susan being Irish, I think the issue is, why would she be in an English orphanage? Figure her parents might have been immigrants who died somehow, but how would they have died but not left any family to take Susan in?
I always associated the mermaid with Diana, for all the reasons in my symbolism theory; it's her chapter, after all, even if Eleanor and Meg are apparently the ones who .. uhm... spliced it together. But there's really nothing to say it was hers, so it's probably just me.
Hm. All in all I think the logistics of the Monthly Gift are inconsistent enough to where it was either Wendy's unadulterated crazy, or Jen's perception of what the gifts meant, and to her, it meant giving up something that an individual RCA member loved more than Wendy. Diana had her ideal self (her mermaid), Jennifer had Brown of course, Eleanor had the Bird of Happiness... The monthly gifts could have been anything.
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Post by bucketknight on Dec 8, 2006 15:23:06 GMT -5
If orphaned kids had families to take them in, there wouldn't be orphans now would there?
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Post by empressjess on Dec 8, 2006 16:49:33 GMT -5
Yeah, but isn't there a lot of deep-seated hostility between the English and Irish? Also, right now I am so channelling Swift, because the Stray Dog eating Irish kids reminds me of A Modest Proposal.
I can't seem to shake the mermaid thing being connected to Diana either. And cellerikun's wording just made me think of something...what if the monthtly tribute for "August" (or whenever it really was) wan't a literal mermaid doll but some act Diana had to perform that robbed her of her ideal self-image? Therefore, the gift actually would be Diana's ideal self. I don't know how metaphorical these kids' thinking would be, but Wendy does love manipulation.
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Post by cellerikun on Dec 8, 2006 16:58:42 GMT -5
If orphaned kids had families to take them in, there wouldn't be orphans now would there? The question was "how", not "why". I was trying to invite discussion. Way to be, BK. :\ As for the gifts.. I really don't know, I can't decide where my brain draws the line between "metaphor", "crappy Jen memories", or "actual event".
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Post by empressjess on Dec 8, 2006 17:21:05 GMT -5
"crappy Jen memories" funk up most of my theories. Uh, would The Hoff let Diana keep the doll considering it's the illegitimate child of the unholy union between a 1930's barbie and an expensive, real koi?
Unless it was really a doll...but then why the trouble with The Hoff?
Ironically, I'm going with metaphor here because it's the simplest.
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Post by bucketknight on Dec 8, 2006 17:53:10 GMT -5
If orphaned kids had families to take them in, there wouldn't be orphans now would there? The question was "how", not "why". I was trying to invite discussion. Way to be, BK. :\ As for the gifts.. I really don't know, I can't decide where my brain draws the line between "metaphor", "crappy Jen memories", or "actual event". It ain't easy being sarcastic in a forum is it. As for how she got there, there have always been migration between England and Ireland, a lot like Mexico and the US now. Ireland has always been a resource poor island the Irish have always worked for the Brits (heck, the Brits controlled Ireland for most of its history). Moving to England is like moving to the US for a Mexican, in search for a better life. And, unlike your family, a lot people do not have nice kind families (if they have any at all). Not everyone can depend on relatives for help. I've seen more than enough of those families. (If that sounded harsh, it's cuz I'm too lazy to come up with a nice way to say it. I'm not trying to be harsh) Besides, while you're at it, you can ask how any of the girls got there, or Martha and Hoffman. About the koi, it's an ugly koi. It looks just like food carp. And did Brits even know about koi (carp) as a show fish? I kind of doubt it would have gotten out of China and Japan pre-WWII.
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Post by cellerikun on Dec 8, 2006 17:53:41 GMT -5
Bahaha, The Hoff.
Chances are nobody kept the koi, if the mermaid doll was ever even actually made. You could probably get salmonella just looking at the ugly thing. And in the Once Upon a Time chapter, Jen remembers the fish being alive and well in its stinky tank and the doll being whole, so... who knows?
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Post by bucketknight on Dec 8, 2006 17:56:50 GMT -5
I've got a q, whose doll do you think it is? I can see Diana killing the fish to piss off Hoffman, but I don't quite see Diana shredding her own doll. On the other hand, the way the scene went, it looked like it was her to me (no proof, just the body language and all imo).
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Post by empressjess on Dec 8, 2006 19:14:18 GMT -5
Personally, I think it's a koi because the game was made in Japan. They like to slip things in there to remind us gaijin just where our fix is coming from.
Yeah, that's weird about Once Upon a Time...both the mermaid doll and the fish are complete. And if Meg and Eleanor decided to make the mermaid doll (for whatever reason) like the game leads us to believe...I'm more confused now that ever.
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Post by bucketknight on Dec 8, 2006 19:27:31 GMT -5
Personally, I think it's a koi because the game was made in Japan. They like to slip things in there to remind us gaijin just where our fix is coming from. Yeah, that's weird about Once Upon a Time...both the mermaid doll and the fish are complete. And if Meg and Eleanor decided to make the mermaid doll (for whatever reason) like the game leads us to believe...I'm more confused now that ever. I don't think it's possible for me to be much more confused by this game. And when you think about it, we are coming up with theories based off the memories of someone proven to have faulty memory at best. (Not to mention we are conjecturing about a fictitious story)
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Post by PrincessJennifer on Dec 9, 2006 10:40:45 GMT -5
I believe Meg was a big sister figure to Susan, just by they way they interact and how often they are shown together.
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